26 February 2022

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The Gravel institute for the win.

12 comments :

Stephen Montsaroff said...

How?

Matthew Saroff said...

The US and NATO policies over the past 25 years have led to this.

The Blob has 25 years of mismanaging dealing with former Warsaw Pact and former USSR states, and for more than 5 years before people like Larry Summers protege Andrei Shleifer were looting the sh%$ out of Russia.

Years of stupid short term thinking, choosing quick profits over a meaningful engagement, choosing military sales over decent relations with Russia, etc.

Stephen Montsaroff said...

https://youtu.be/9I-91IFhHJk

Stephen Montsaroff said...

Why not, they lost the cold war. The problem is we didn't have tanks in Red Square.

Oh wait, they were the good guys.

Stephen Montsaroff said...

Besides, none of those countries are real. Uncle V said so.

Cthulhu said...

I'll simply submit that by invading Ukraine, Vlad has proven that offering them NATO membership was justified.

Matthew Saroff said...

Cthulhu, in response to a negotiated deal with the Ukraine in 2014, the US fomented a coup, collaborating with literal Nazis (Right Sektor, Azof, etc.) to overthrow the legitimately elected government, with the ultimate goal of NATO seizing the Russian naval base on the Crimea.

When one considers that Russia considers this an existential issue, and have been attempting to negotiate over this with the US and NATO (really just the US, NATO is a US poodle) has been stonewalled, it was foreseeable, and was in fact foreseen by people like George Kennan that this would end up with a hostile Russia and the threat of open warfare.

I'm not sure how how the US (Victoria "F%#$ the EU" Nuland) fomenting a coup, in spite of an EU negotiated settlement, suggests that the US/NATO has the best interests of the Ukraine at heart.

Russia's invasion is not a good faith act, (Well, duh) but it follows literally decades of uninterrupted bad faith from the US.

Notwithstanding the sanctions, there is not a lot that the west can do right now.

One thing that it could do is to recognize the uninterrupted string of foreign policy idiocy since the fall of the USSR on the part of the US made this outcome more likely, if not inevitable, and attempt to draw lessons from this.

Stephen Montsaroff said...

Wasn't the deal in 2014 between the EU and the then Ukraine government. Wasn't it Moscow that torpedoed that?

Matthew Saroff said...

No, the EU proposed a deal, and Russia proposed a bigger and better deal, and Yanukovych chose the better deal, so the US and various cut-outs (NED, etc.) fomented a coup.

The new government signed the deal.

Stephen Montsaroff said...

How could Russia have proposed a bigger, better deal? They don't have near the economic resources or market.

Matthew Saroff said...

Because they wanted the deal more, and because the EU is being run by the Krauts, who use the same word for both sin and debt.

Stephen Montsaroff said...

I remember the Ukrainian president being summoned to Moscow after the negotiation, for consultations, and then backing down.

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